Despite the loss for the Tigers last night, I still think they have the upper hand in this series. Their rotation has incredible depth, and I’m not sure how much longer the Giants can keep up this offensive luck. Here are tonight’s lineups.
Austin Jackson CF
Omar Infante 2B
Miguel Cabrera 3B
Prince Fielder 1B
Delmon Young LF
Jhonny Peralta SS
Avisail Garcia RF
Gerald Laird C
Doug Fister P
And for the Giants
Angel Pagán CF
Marco Scutaro 2B
Pablo Sandoval 3B
Buster Posey C
Hunter Pence RF
Brandon Belt 1B
Gregor Blanco LF
Brandon Crawford SS
Madison Bumgarner P
In Yankee news today. CC Sabathia had elbow surgery for a bone spur, but he should be ready for spring training. Ichiro Suzuki wants to return to the Yankees. Mason Williams is ready to start working out again after his shoulder problems. And finally, Mark Teixeira won a Fielding Bible Award.
Enjoy the game.
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The Giants have scored 28 runs in their past 4 games against premium big league pitching. And they were among the league leaders in overall hitting stats, including the MVP catcher who led both leagues in BA. Two starters with over 100 RBIs. This is what you refer to as “offensive luck”? Are you paying attention?
Your first mistake is quoting a 4 game sample size, but then you used RBIs as if it was a significant statistic.
I guess my second and third mistakes were citing season long (162) game stats, as if they were a significant sample size. And, RBIs – who needs em?
You said they were among the league leaders in overall hitting stats, and then cited RBI’s.
wOBA:.314 (13th overall)
wRC+: 99 (9th overall)
ISO: .128 (29th overall)
The stats say the team was only slightly above average offensively. They could win the next two games with 20 runs scored and it won’t change the fact that they’re far from a top offense.
Runs are a “significant statistic”.
Case in point: The severe lack of them is why the 2012 Yanks are not in the World Series.
BTW way to dismiss the Giants pitching.
Zito’s last two starts including his outdueling Verlander in Game 1 of the World Series and Bumgarner’s masterpiece against the Tigers last night.
The Giants have an EXCELLENT rotation of Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong, and Zito.
They also have balance: pitching and hitting.
“Good pitching stops good hitting.”
yeah, Michael, the Tigers have such a varied and deep defense that the awfully thin Giant pitching staff simply aren’t going to able to limit them to a few garbage time runs as they did last night.
look for the Tigers to score a dozen runs or more tonight.
that shoulda been “…deep OFfense”
oops.
Oops. They were about 12 short of a dozen.
look for the Tigers to make up for it by scoring twice as many next game
Guess you get some creit, though. Only 2 SF runs. Oh well, an insignificant statistic. And, “an insignificant sample size.”
Careful on the high horse, Michael. You could fall.
I analyze with numbers, not my gut. There’s no high horse, just statistics.
Stats mean nothing come postseason time. Three ex-Mets, one of them an ex-Yankee also, are in the World Series: Angel Pagan, Marco Scutaro, and Octavio Dotel (the ex-Yank.) Did you ever in your wildest dreams think these three would appear in the 2012 World Series when they were Mets? Did you ever in your wildest dreams think dumpy lumpy Pablo “Panda” Sandoval would not only smack a pair of homeruns off Verlander but smack THREE homeruns in one game? I didn’t.
Darrell Friggin’ Porter was the 1982 World Series MVP and another middling catcher Pat Friggin’ Borders was the 1992 World Series MVP. I’d even throw in Scott Brosius for the ’98 WSMVP (minus the “Friggin” LOL.)
Regular season time? Whole other story. 245 homeruns for the 2012 New York Yankees yet (they had) the worst overall offense since 1992. Same amount of hits as the ’92 team they barely collected (14-2 drubbing of the Red Sox in Game 162.) The ’92 team hit one more/less double (‘forgot which.) Lowest OBP since ’92, third lowest BA since ’92, third lowest run total in a season not shortened by strike since ’92. Highest strikeout total and average age per player in team history. Second lowest triple total in team history. Lowest PA since ’91, lowest AB since ’90.
The 2012 Yanks Offense was the 1992 Yanks Offense II with 82 more homeruns (245 to the ’92 team’s 163) yet only 71 more runs scored (804 to the ’92 teams’s 733) despite having a better player at EVERY position than the ’92 team and DESTROYING the ’92 team’s starting nine at 2B, SS, and CF (91 HR by Cano, Jeter, and Granderson to the measly 19 by the Kellys and Stankiewicz.)
The only thing that kept the 2012 Yanks from being the ’92 Yanks II as a whole (76-86) was the pitching, namely Sabathia-Kuroda as the 1-2 in the rotation and Robertson-Soriano as the 1-2 in the bullpen.
OK. If you like numbers, check out team total team offense, Tigers vs. Giants during the 2012 season. Just about even. Now pitching. Same story. Looks to me like you make your luck. And, since you love numbers, your vaunted (and aging)Yankees, with better lucky offense numbers – how many games did they win in the playoffs against Detroit? I would say the Giants have won twice as many, but there is no equation against ZERO. How’s your gut feeling? (oh, and by the way, I read what you wrote about where the Giants were going without Melky. I think you fantasized him back in pinstripes. I hope he does well, NY could use a good left fielder.)
How ’bout this for 2013?
Trade Granderson for prospects.
LF – Melky Cabrera re-signed for 2013 only at $7M cuz who knows how good of a hitter he really is without the PEDs? Who’s signing guy who will miss the first X games of 2013 to suspension for testing positive for PEDs for more than two years?
CF – Gardner re-signed for $1.4M (half his 2012 salary) or less
RF – Suzuki re-signed for 2013 only at $6.5M (midway between $5M and $8M, he defers $5M like he deferred $5M a year when he was with Seattle the last few seasons, so the Yanks pay only $1.5M of that $6.5M in 2013.)
DH – Swisher re-signed for 2013 only at the $13.3M qualfying offer
4OF – Ibanez re-signed for 2013 only and another $1.1M base
The entire outfield defense is upgraded. The offense is upgraded in LF and RF, BA and OBP-wise, possibly HR-wise, too, in LF. Power is downgraded in CF and RF but the DH is upgraded provided Swisher posts his usual HR, RBI, and OBP. The Yanks could afford to bring back Ibanez and live with his defense because Swisher could back up Suzuki, Gardner and Cabrera could back up each other, and Suzuki could back up both. EVERYONE could be let go after 2013 (Gardner would most likely be kept if not traded since he’s under contract through 2014.)
One thing you did not mention. Melky is already reinstated and is on the Giant’s 40 man roster. So the Yanks would have to deal with that. Upside, his suspension is over and could play right now – had the Gs put him on their active roster. But they are doing ok without him right now. Not to say they might not sign him next year for that bargain price you spoke of.
the outfield defense doesn’t need any upgrade considering that Swisher is leaving and he was the only starter who was not a good defender.
they’re NOT going to trade Granderson for prospects unless they sign Hamilton or someone else to replace those roughly 40 HRs.
It MIGHT make some sense to sign Melky to a low-ball deal, but not for only one year. they would need two.