The Joba Chamberlain conundrum
Word spread like wildfire throughout the Yankee blogosphere yesterday that Joba Chamberlain will be officially relegated to relief work next season, presumably for the rest of his Yankee career.
If this declaration is indeed true (and let’s face it, most of us have assumed this decision inevitable), it will finally signal the ridiculous conclusion to an absurd saga. The table below demonstrates how The Joba Experiment has progressed thus far.
| Year | Age | W | L | Win-Loss Percentage W / (W + L) For players, leaders need one decision for every ten team games. For managers, minimum to qualify for leading is 320 games.” align=”center”> |
9 * ER / IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>ERA |
G | GS | GF | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | WP | BF | ERA+ 100*[lgERA/ERA] Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s).” align=”center”>ERA+ |
(BB + H)/IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>WHIP |
9 x H / IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>H/9 |
9 x HR / IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>HR/9 |
9 x BB / IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>BB/9 |
9 x SO / IP For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>SO/9 |
SO/BB For recent years, leaders need 1 IP per team game played” align=”center”>SO/BB |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 21 | 2 | 0 | 1.000 | 0.38 | 19 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 24.0 | 12 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 34 | 1 | 91 | 1221 | 0.750 | 4.5 | 0.4 | 2.3 | 12.8 | 5.67 |
| 2008 | 22 | 4 | 3 | .571 | 2.60 | 42 | 12 | 5 | 0 | 100.1 | 87 | 32 | 29 | 5 | 39 | 118 | 4 | 417 | 171 | 1.256 | 7.8 | 0.4 | 3.5 | 10.6 | 3.03 |
| 2009 | 23 | 9 | 6 | .600 | 4.75 | 32 | 31 | 0 | 0 | 157.1 | 167 | 94 | 83 | 21 | 76 | 133 | 5 | 709 | 97 | 1.544 | 9.6 | 1.2 | 4.3 | 7.6 | 1.75 |
| 2010 | 24 | 3 | 4 | .429 | 4.40 | 73 | 0 | 18 | 3 | 71.2 | 71 | 37 | 35 | 6 | 22 | 77 | 5 | 305 | 98 | 1.298 | 8.9 | 0.8 | 2.8 | 9.7 | 3.50 |
| 4 Seasons | 18 | 13 | .581 | 3.77 | 166 | 43 | 26 | 4 | 353.1 | 337 | 165 | 148 | 33 | 143 | 362 | 15 | 1522 | 119 | 1.358 | 8.6 | 0.8 | 3.6 | 9.2 | 2.53 | |
| 162 Game Avg. | 6 | 4 | onclick="" onmouseout="" onmouseover="" style="background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold; padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.581 | 3.77 | 54 | 14 | 8 | 1 | 115 | 110 | 54 | 48 | 11 | 47 | 118 | 5 | 495 | 119 | 1.358 | 8.6 | 0.8 | 3.6 | 9.2 | 2.53 | |
We’re all guilty of reminiscing about 2007 when a young kid came up through the Yankee system and devastated hitters during the final stretch of baseball. His charisma and ability made him an instant fan favorite. The fever pitch grew so loud that many wondered whether we were witnessing the possible heir apparent to Mariano Rivera.
In 2008, Brian Cashman decided that Joba would best be best-suited for a spot in the starting rotation, which was really where he should have stayed all along, as that’s what he was in college, and that’s what he was drafted as. That’s where his abilities suggested he should be. That’s where the Yankees needed him to be.
At the time, this was the right idea and I absolutely supported it. Relievers are not as valuable as starters, plain and simple. If you have a pitcher capable of starting, that’s where he should be. Thus, the Joba rules were created during the transition to protect his future. Over the course of 100.1 IP, he posted a sterling 2.60 ERA with a 1.256 WHIP and 10.6 SO/9. Eye-opening numbers, to say the least. Unfortunately, the first hurdle arrived in early August as Joba experienced stiffness in his right shoulder.
Others claimed his injury had permanently ruined his electric stuff and explained his declining velocity and out-of-whack mechanics. It didn’t matter than nearly all pitchers face some decline as they transition to a starting rotation spot. It didn’t matter than a lot of young pitchers struggle with their mechanics at times (Roy Halladay, anyone?).
It didn’t matter, that for all intents and purposes, Joba was still learning how to pitch at the Big League level.
While Hughes went on to have a fairly successful year, Joba was stationed back in the pen. Despite having good peripheral stats, he struggled in critical moments and eventually lost his setup role. Joe Girardi, it would seem, had lost complete faith in the young hurler. Was Joba Chamberlain broken? The same kid whose name was associated with several high-profile trade propositions was never surfacing in high leverage moments anymore. By the trade deadline, the Yankees even felt it prudent to acquire veteran hurler Kerry Wood to bolster their bullpen.
However, he needs to continue to develop as a pitcher while reestablishing any lost confidence. He still has a few plus pitches in his arsenal and he should be able to achieve that objective. Who knows, perhaps the 2007 vintage of Joba may even return. However, this shouldn’t be the expectation — let’s aim for quality before superiority. That way, he won’t be judged against impossible odds.
It’s also likely that Kerry Wood will no longer be with the team in 2011, which opens up a vacancy for an eighth inning pitcher. At this point, Joba should be the top candidate for the job. Hopefully, it pans out. If it doesn’t, the Yankees will probably be forced to cut their losses, which would only further underscore just how poorly managed Joba’s development has been. I hope that the Yankees learn their lesson going forward with the pitchers they have currently tearing up the minors, and chart their future respective paths a bit more intelligently.
0 Responses to The Joba Chamberlain conundrum
Leave a Reply Cancel reply
LIKE TYA ON FACEBOOK
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
- TYA To Merge With It’s About The Money, Stupid
- What about Kevin Youkilis?
- Teix Now Front And Center On The “Needs To Produce” Radar
- Cashman: Heathcott A Dark Horse Candidate
- A Dog Chasing Cars
- Outfield Trade Targets
- The Problem With Brett Gardner
- A Look At Relief Prospect Branden Pinder
- The Yankees Should Be Realistic, Put Team on Short Leash in 2013
- Briefly discussing the internal options to replace Curtis Granderson
Recent Comments
- Brand bc on Briefly discussing the internal options to replace Curtis Granderson
- http://2804lasela.wordpress.com/ on TYA Predictions: Bold predictions for 2012
- the tao of badass pdf on What about Austin Romine?
- Joey Parkhill on Dante Bichette Jr’s Swing
- lululemon factory outlet on Contact Us
- Cary on Will R.A. Dickey’s Knuckleball Succeed In A Domed Stadium?
- Brenna on Links: Prospects, Support for A-Rod, Mariano is Love and Who’s in Center?
- Louis Vuitton Outlet Sale Singapore on The Monthly Prospector: April Edition
- Authentic Louis Vuitton Outlet Store on The Monthly Prospector: June Edition
- Louis Vuitton Outlet San Diego on Banuelos to Undergo Tommy John Surgery, Yankees Prospectors to Undergo Grief Counseling
Authors
Twitter
* TYA Twitter - @YankeeAnalysts
* EJ Fagan - @ejfagan
* Matt Imbrogno -@mimbro1
* William J. -@WilliamNYY23
* Larry Koestler-@Larry_Koestler
* Moshe Mandel -@MosheTYA
* Sean P. -@Sean_MP
* Eric Schultz - @Eric_J_S
* Matt Warden - @Matt_Warden
- Most poker sites open to US players also provide online casinos accepting USA players. A good example of this is BetOnline.com, where you can play 3D casino games, bet on sports or play poker from anywhere in the United States.
Other Links
Blogroll
Blogs
- An A-Blog for A-Rod
- Beat of the Bronx
- Bronx Banter
- Bronx Baseball Daily
- Bronx Brains
- Don't Bring in the Lefty
- Fack Youk
- It's About The Money
- iYankees
- Lady Loves Pinstripes
- Lenny's Yankees
- New Stadium Insider
- No Maas
- Pinstripe Alley
- Pinstripe Mystique
- Pinstriped Bible
- River Ave. Blues
- RLYW
- Second Place Is Not An Option
- Steven Goldman
- The Captain's Blog
- The Girl Who Loved Andy Pettitte
- The Greedy Pinstripes
- This Purist Bleeds Pinstripes
- Value Over Replacement Grit
- WasWatching
- Yankee Source
- Yankeeist
- Yankees Blog | ESPN New York
- Yankees Fans Unite
- YFSF
- You Can't Predict Baseball
- Zell's Pinstripe Blog
Resources
- Baseball Analysts
- Baseball Musings
- Baseball Prospectus
- Baseball Think Factory
- Baseball-Intellect
- Baseball-Reference
- BBTF Baseball Primer
- Beyond the Box Score
- Brooks Baseball
- Cot's Baseball Contracts
- ESPN's MLB Stats & Info Blog
- ESPN's SweetSpot Blog
- FanGraphs
- Joe Lefkowitz's PitchFX Tool
- Minor League Ball
- MLB Trade Rumors
- NYMag.com's Sports Section
- TexasLeaguers.com
- The Biz of Baseball
- THE BOOK
- The Hardball Times
- The Official Site of The New York Yankees
- The Wall Street Journal's Daily Fix Sports Blog
- YESNetwork.com
Site Organization
Categories
Tags
A.J. Burnett Alex Rodriguez Andy Pettitte Austin Romine Baltimore Orioles Bartolo Colon Boston Red Sox Brett Gardner Brian Cashman Bullpen CC Sabathia Chien-Ming Wang Cliff Lee Curtis Granderson David Robertson Dellin Betances Derek Jeter Francisco Cervelli Freddy Garcia Game Recap Hiroki Kuroda Ivan Nova Javier Vazquez Jesus Montero Joba Chamberlain Joe Girardi Johnny Damon Jorge Posada Manny Banuelos Mariano Rivera Mark Teixeira Melky Cabrera Michael Pineda New York New York Yankees Nick Johnson Nick Swisher Phil Hughes Prospects Rafael Soriano Red Sox Robinson Cano Russell Martin Tampa Bay Rays YankeesSite Stats






It's so sad looking back and seeing all the potential greatness in Joba. Meh. I still think that he can be a good member of the starting rotation, but then again, I am an extreme optimist.
I mean, unless they see a physical limitation that will prevent Joba from starting, I do not see why he is in the bullpen, pitching poorly nonetheless.
I'm sorry to crush your optimism Alex, but I'd say there is about a 0% chance he'd be good in the rotation because there's a 0% chance he'll ever have the opportunity again.
To your point, if he could be an effective starter, he should be. My only consolation is that the organization hopefully has better insight and there is a legitimate reason for this decision.
What I suspect is that there is general consensus among Yankees Brass that Joba is screwed up already and any further tampering will simply make him a lost cause.
But you're right, hindsight on this one is pretty sad.