Ted Lilly facing the Phillies

The recent injuries to AJ Burnett and Andy Pettitte have many wondering whether the Yankees will reignite their pursuit of a starting pitcher on the trade market.  Aside from big names like Roy Oswalt and Dan Haren, one option would include Cubs lefthander Ted Lilly.  At 34 years old, Lilly is in the final year of his 4 year, $40 million contract that he signed before the start of the 2007 season. He is owed roughly $6M on this deal and will be a free agent at the end of the year.  Would he make sense as a trade target for the Yankees?

Over the course of his career, Lilly has been a 4.24 ERA pitcher with an ERA+ of 108.  He’s averaged a strikeout rate of 7.6 batters per nine innings and a walk rate of 3.1.  His best years have come as a Chicago Cub, and last year he seemed to take a big step forward when he lowered his walk rate to 1.8, leaving him with a nifty 4.19 K/BB ratio.  This year has been slightly different.  After undergoing offseason shoulder surgery and missing the first three weeks of the season, Lilly has struggled to regain his form with subpar fastball velocity.  Lilly has never been a hard-tosser, averaging 88-90 mph over the course of his career, but in April and May his fastball came in at 85.8 mph.  In June, it jumped to 87.3 mph, and now in July it is back at 86 mph.  However, during his best performance of the year on July 16, when he struck out 10 Phillies over 7 innings, his fastball averaged 88.3 mph and topped out just over 90 mph.

Aside from his troubles with velocity, there is also the question of results.  As David Golebiewski showed a few weeks ago, Lilly is exhibiting decent control but is generating far fewer swings and misses on his fastball, slider and curveball.  For this reason it’s not surprising that Lilly’s strikeout rate has fallen in 2010 to 6.49.  So while Lilly’s ERA this year is 4.07, his peripherals suggest he has been slightly worse than advertised.  His BABIP is a measly .253, well below his career average of .284, and his FIP is 4.70.  Eleven percent of Lilly’s fly balls are going for home runs this year, right in line with his career average, and his xFIP is 4.62.  This represents his highest mark since leaving the Blue Jays for Chicago.

There is also the question of Lilly’s Type A status as a free agent after this season. As RJ Anderson noted several days ago, Lilly is a borderline Type A pitcher and it’s an open question as to whether he will gain Type A status before the end of the year.  Anderson writes:

The problem is that Lilly isn’t guaranteed Type-A status. Bajek has done yeoman’s work and his rankings suggest that Lilly is only a borderline Type-A. The rankings weigh stats like wins, win percentage, and ERA, three things Lilly doesn’t have going for him, particularly the wins metric. You see, as Joe Posnanski pointed out here, to qualify for a win the pitcher needs to exit with the lead, which is a problem when your team never scores while you’re in the game, and that’s the case for Lilly. Among all qualified starting pitchers Lilly has the lowest run support at a tick more than 2.40.

Lilly could pick up a few more wins if put on a team with an offense like the Yankees.  At the same time, the win is a fickle stat, and he could see his ERA continue to rise both in conjunction with his fielding independent statistics and as a result of facing tougher opposition in the American League.  Further, it’s not even certain that his Type A status would matter.  There’s no guarantee that the Yankees would offer Lilly arbitration (they’ve eschewed that strategy in recent years) or that he would decline if offered. If Lilly has a mediocre second half, perhaps he would consider accepting arbitration, taking a $10M+ salary for 2011 and attempting to rebuild his value before hitting the open market after the 2011 season.

Finally, there is the question of cost to the Yankees.  The remaining balance on his contract is around $6M, which is neither cheap nor prohibitive for the Yankees.  However, the rumors were circulating last night that the Cubs had asked for Jesus Montero in exchange for Lilly.  This is, quite obviously, a ludicrous demand.  Lilly isn’t worth Montero, and he’s not worth Romine.  Is he worth Zach McAllister, the AAA pitcher with little major league value to the Yankees, and a handful of lower-level prospects?

All things considered, probably not. Any team trading for Ted Lilly and paying a premium in prospects must believe that his Friday performance against the Phillies is a truer representation of his skills going forward.  This is no sure thing.   Lilly is a fly ball pitcher with mediocre results in 2010.  He’s had injury trouble, and it’s doubtful that the cost in prospects of bringing him aboard can be recouped.  Ted Lilly simply looks too much like Jarrod Washburn right now and the Yankees would be wise to pass.  The injuries to Pettitte and Burnett aren’t the end of the world.  The Yankees aren’t desperate, and Ted Lilly is  no savior.

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14 Responses to Trading for Ted Lilly

  1. Matt Imbrogno says:

    The only way I’d really consider trading for Lilly is if one of Burnett/Pettitte was guaranteed to be out for the year.

    • Stephen R. says:

      Yeah. I mean, if that happens, all bets are off. Our math changes significantly.

    • bornwithpinstripes says:

      Hello Matt..would you mind starting a topic on granderson , sitting or playing VS tough lefties or just lefties….against price i would have like to see him sit, thames in left…i would have montero up now and go after a hard thrower like price. quick bat vs a 95 plus.. remember thames vs randy J..when thames first came up.. grandy is over matched.vs lefties..cashman is going to make us choke on this guy..

  2. Betsy says:

    While I have no idea what to expect from Phil in the 2nd half, I think the Yankees have to leave him in the rotation……If they have to, or want to, put him in the pen for late September/October because he’s not outpitching Javy, then fine. Putting Phil in the pen for 2 months just so we can have Ted Lilly start is a bad move. Either this kid is a starter or he’s not – and I don’t think his innings limits are a big deal either. He’s due for about 14 more starts; 6 innings per would be 84. Skip him twice between now and the end of the season and he’s fine. I really just don’t want to give up prospects for mediocrities when we can get buy for a few weeks – the Sox have, so we can.

  3. Scout says:

    When Lilly hit the free agent market four years ago, I wanted the Yankees to sign him rather than Igawa. But that ship has sailed. I agree with the post that he now offers too little added value to justify surrendering any meaningful prospects. Certainly it behooves Casham et al to try internal options such as Mitre and Nova first.

    • bornwithpinstripes says:

      your are right.4 years ago i could not understand why we did not get him….but now he will be batting practice in the A.L. I say we stand pat.., lets look to what we have in AAA and mitre gaudin et. al we have about 70 games left, how many starts is that? 14 0r so… if andy gets back after the eighth start, not that bad.. lets not touch the farm..i like what someone said earlier about the kid on KC..we play them soon before the deadline maybe we can work something out with them..but i am real fine with robertson..tough kid..

    • Jon says:

      Just not a lot of time to try internal options before the 31st deadline and not likely to get anyone of much value after that. I wish they would have looked at Nova a little earlier.

  4. Don says:

    Steve Philips says yes to the Yankees trading for Lilly.

    That means no.

    • Scout says:

      Steve Philips? Ah, the village idiot has spoken. Now I fell even more confident in my earlier judgment.

    • bornwithpinstripes says:

      he is not even the last person to listen to…worst gm in the history of baseball….a yankee hater..that would be like getting advise from varatek…

  5. leftylarry says:

    In the words of the great icon and philosopher Yogi Berra, ‘That guy wasn’t good when he was good.”

    Let’s go with the ” YOUT ” and bring up some of the younger guys in the minor leagues and stop with the crap like Mitre and Gaudin.
    They have zero upside.
    Give me Phelps, Noesi, maybe even Nova or MacAllister.Heck, I’d rather see Warren or Pendelton, not to mention Melancon again before the retreads.
    Even Albaldejo probably deserves one more chance.

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