Steve Lombardi was one of a handful of bloggers who answered questions from the NY Times Bats Blog about the upcoming season, and the following statement caught my eye:

Considering the ultimate price tag ($8 million for one year), it may have been the prudent move to bring Damon back for a year. But, then again, there was that “budget” concern which we heard so often. It may just be conventional wisdom on my part, but it seemed like Damon was in the middle of things happening last season more times than not. For the record, his OPS in wins was over .900 and he batted .245 in games that the Yankees lost.

I advocated that the Yankees bring Damon back, so I understand where Steve is coming from, even though he dismisses the budget concerns. What interested me was the idea that Damon was in the middle of things last season, with significantly better numbers in wins than losses. I believe Steve falls for a common fallacy here, as teams obviously hit significantly better in wins than they do in losses. American League teams hit .305/.376/.506 in wins compared to .226/.291/.346 in defeat (of course, these numbers are meaningless as well, as they simply reflect that poor teams do not hit well, an obvious conclusion). Most players will have vastly superior numbers in wins than losses, because their superior hitting in those games will lead to victories. This presents a circular train of logic whereby the player’s performance is attached to a particular result by nature, yet people attempt to read meaning into the data. Looking at a player’s numbers in team wins and losses and concluding that he was a more significant part of those results than other players without looking at the numbers for those teammates is silly, as you are lacking context. Take a look at the numbers for the Yankees starting lineup last season:

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Outside of Jeter, who was fantastic in both wins and losses, every other regular shows a marked split between performance in wins and performance in losses. Splitting by wins tends to capture good performances for most players, as good performances from multiple players will often lead to victories. It is a split that tends to tell us little, if anything at all. Johnny Damon may have been “in the middle of things” last season, and there are a number of ways that one could attempt to support that notion. The win-loss split is not one of them.

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6 Responses to The "As He Goes, The Team Goes" Fallacy

  1. karlovau says:

    As a statistician, what these figures show is that good pitchers tend to (a) get all opposing batters out and (b) win games. What a surprise!

  2. oldpep says:

    If he were honest and had access to these figures, he’d be saying: ‘as Cano goes, the Yankees go.’

  3. Rich says:

    With his usual kind of logic and/or cherry-picking you’d think he’d realize Damon’s OPS in losing games was lower than in winning games, thus he was a “piler-on” bully and not clutch when the team needs him.

    Those aren’t my opinions of Damon, rather it’s what I think of Lombardi’s truthiness.

    That’s why I haven’t been to was watching for more than a year.

  4. DaveinMD says:

    Lombardi is a train wreck. You shouldn’t bring his stupidity over this place of intelligence.

  5. Yankee1010 says:

    Par for the course for that train wreck. He is the knuckledragger that just amazes you with his lack of intelligence.

    Based on the lack of insight and intelligence in his “analysis,” it’s amazing that he can even turn a computer on.

  6. deadrody says:

    Ouch! The truth is in the details and Damon was 2nd to last with the LOWEST increase between wins and losses. Hard to argue that Damon was a lead contributor when every other player on the team hit better in wins compared to losses than Damon.

    LOL!!!!

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