Jorge Posada won't go quietly

Bob Klapisch of NJ.com published a piece yesterday profiling Jorge Posada. They discussed where he is in is career, where he is in relation to past players at the position and what the future may hold. He writes:
Posada says, “I still feel pretty young” which is a remarkable statement for a catcher this close to 40. The cutoff point for most is 34. Yogi Berra, Gary Carter and Johnny Bench, for instance, all hit the wall after their age-34 seasons – none of them ever caught 100 games after that.
Of course, there’s a chance Posada could turn out to be Carlton Fisk, who caught 134 games at age 43, but he knows the odds are long. For one, Posada will already be transitioned out by 2011; he’ll likely catch no more than 80 games next season, after which his contract expires.
And then? That’s the question Posada can’t and won’t answer. He’d like to keep playing, reminding the Yankees his bones are considerably younger than his birth certificate.
“The fact that I didn’t start catching until late [in the minor leagues] has helped keep me strong to this point,” Posada was saying Thursday night. “Most catchers get to a certain age and things start to break down, like their knees. But except for my shoulder [which was operated on in 2008], I’ve never had a major injury. I like to think it’s because I’ve taken care of myself.”
Lots here to discuss. First, the stuff about him getting a late start behind the plate is a bit overrated. He started Catching at age 19 in the New York Penn League (Rookie ball) and was a full time Catcher the very next year. Also, many other Catchers throughout Baseball history began their careers at other positions (Gary Carter played OF) and still didn’t last past age 35. The one who did, Carlton Fisk, had a conditioning regimen that was legendary. So his point about ‘taking care of himself’ plays in his favor, and is probably the main reason why he’s still the Yanks 1st string Catcher at age 38.
Chances are it won’t be his defense that will get his playing time reduced all that much. I think it’s fair to say that at his age you may prefer a younger, more athletic backstop to catch someone like AJ Burnett, whose stuff can be very hard to handle. But Jorge’s ticket to the bigs was never his glove, it was always his bat. His triple slash from last year looked great (.285/.363/.522) and looking at that you’d never suspect he could be poised for a decline. But digging a bit into his advanced stats and there are causes for concern. His BB/SO rate was the lowest of any full season since 2001, which makes you think his bat may be slowing down. As a player ages, he will typically cheat a bit on fastballs, leaving him more prone to SO and less likely to BB. Another thing that jumps out at me is his Pitch Type Values, and the way he hit change ups last year. Anyone familiar with Jorge’s scouting report knows he has always been a player that devours fastballs. Even as a raw rookie in the late 90′s, he was one of the few Yanks who could hit Randy Johnson in his prime. Seeing such a huge jump in hitting the change tells me that he’s looking for it. Opposing pitchers will notice this trend and begin challenging him more with hard stuff. That’s when we’ll see just how much Jorge really has left.
We all know Jorge is stubborn, and that’s a big reason why he’s been a great player for so many years. But these decisions tend to be made for you as a player. It’s not something you have much say about. As Yankee fans, we’ve already got more than anyone could have reasonably expected out of Jorge, so we shouldn’t be surprised if enters his decline this year. He’s actually long overdue.
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Posada won’t like it, but they’ll start to phase him out next year and he won’t be on the team after that. His exit will be like Bernie.
Let’s hope not. Bernie wouldn’t come back to the stadium for years, and has only recently softened his stance.
Steve, you hit it ‘ota here…
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Ken (OR) says:
March 7, 2010 at 1:35 pm
A few days ago I wrote; Posada wouldn’t reach 100 games at catcher…I stand on that!
Many of those reasons are posted above;
Slower bat…was the best fastball hitter on the team, not so much anymore.
Age…let’s face it, everyone ages differently but, age is age.
Defense…If the offense suffers this year, his defense is even more of a factor.
Cervelli…may be used as was Joe and Posada in Posadas first couple years.
Joe G…as an old defensive catcher, he will see the down turn very fast and take the action he thinks is needed. Slowly replace Posada…if and when necessary.
Sorry Jorge…everyone ages and needs to be replaced at some time, even you. Let me say; thanks for all you have ment to the team for many years.
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Wrote this a few days ago (as you can see), before that I went into more detail on his cheating on the FB, etc.
The whole point being (being a jerk) I didn’t need stats to tell me these things, my eyes and experience tells me when something isn’t right.
Now don’t you stat guys jump all over me, I use stats but, as I am not as well versed as you guys are…I use the 4 to 6 that everyone knows about to point me in the right direction for my eyes to see.
I think Posada is gone after 2011, when his contract is up. He’ll be or should be the DH next year.
I don’t think you can give him another contract with his age and other options coming along. Both Arod and Jeter are aging and could use some time at DH the next couple of yrs. As far as catching, Montero and Romine will be ready to step in next year.
Don’t be so sure about Montero. Even Mark Newman was very guarded about him sticking at Catcher in the Sickels interview this week.
Steve, very much agree with most of his and your assessments of Montero…give or take a line.
Like it or not, Montero may be DH and 3rd catcher, with Romine and Cervelli doing the catching everyday. I do think most of us would like to see Montero behind the plate as the main man but, if he can’t get to the point of being avg…no place for him there at all.
Just look at the trouble Posada has handling AJ stuff let alone Jobas hard stuff, if Montero is any worse then that…he in hep big trouble.