From Matt Ehalt:
Girardi also said that come playoff time, the Joba Rules may be waived as it will be “all hands on deck.”
“This is part of the plan, and this is what we have to do because this is not just about the next two months,” Girardi said of the varying degrees of rest between starts. “This is about years and years to come.”
While the Joba Rules in 2007 prevented Chamberlain from being overworked in the bullpen by doing things such as limiting back-to-back appearances, the Joba Rules 2009 is a formula to spread innings from now until the end of the season
I would guess that the Yankees have constructed their plan for the next 6 weeks while holding the possibility of playoff innings in mind. Girardi is not saying that the rules will go out the window come playoff time. Rather, the Yankees will limit his innings in the regular season while leaving some sort of cushion in the plan for the playoffs, when they need “all hands on deck.”
However, this may change how the Yankees order their rotation in the playoffs. Three weeks ago, I assumed Joba would be the 3 starter and Andy Pettitte the #4. However, with Pettitte’s resurgence and Joba’s inconsistency, I wonder if the Yankees might make Joba the 4 starter, due to both performance reasons and innings limits. This would assure that Joba gets at most 3 starts over the postseason, meaning that the most he would pitch over that time is about 20 innings. If he was the 3, he could get as many as 5 starts, which would require a much larger cushion.
What do you think? What should we expect?
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Truthfully I see both sides of the coin but it just seems like they are saying one thing and then doing another… If he pitches 150-160 innings in the regular season and then adds another 10-20 innings in the post season isn’t that 170-180 innings total? Seems to me the whole point of moving his starts back is so he doesn’t have more than 50 or 60 extra innings added from his total last year (100 innings) but if he pitches well in the post season and we end up winning a world series he could end up notching close to 200 innings anyway and you have added 100 extra innings anyway, so what was the point of skipping regular season starts? What is the difference in 180 and 190 innings?
I’m not so sure they believe in the 30 inning thing. Someone I trust on another site claimed that the Yankees believe that a 50 inning jump from his previous high is safe, and anything past that is dangerous. His previous high is 112 in college/HWB, so maybe 160 is the cap, and maybe they let him get to 145-ish in the regular season.
I didn’t say 30… I said 50-60 is what they don’t want to climb over which is my point! If he pitches 145 or 150 in the regular season and adds another 20 in the post season then he is at 170 innings and only 30 innings away from 200 which would be a full 100 innings more than he pitched last year… So what is the difference in 170 and 200? Either shut him down at 150 or don’t even talk about a innings limit, just my opinion sounds like they don’t want to hurt Joba in the regular season but if he has to have Tommy John or something because of a playoff injury they really don’t care. Also if you buy into the fact that more stressful innings hurt more than less stressful ones, what is more stressful than the post season? 20 post season innings would be what, like 40 regular season innings?
The problem is that we do not really know what the Yankees believe. Maybe they do it by pitches rather than innings? However, it seems clear to me that they have a plan and that they have included the playoffs. I guess we will have to wait and see how it plays out.
That’s basically what it comes down to and the unknown part of it is what is frustrating about the whole thing, I just wish someone like Cashman or Girardi could give an outline of the “plan” and I totally understand why they can’t do it but still human nature to be curious.
I liked John Flaherty as a player but could someone please start a petition to make sure he never gets to call a game with out Michael Kay again… tonight is going to be torture! Anyone ever notice how Flaherty stopped calling Joba a reliever once the all star break ended? Weird how he starts pitching more consistent and then he shuts up.
I like it when Al Leiter, David Cone and Paul O’Neill broadcast the game.
You know you are going to get pure meat (facts) when those guys are calling the game. not one ever goes off on tangents or strays from the game haha.
David Cone is great when he does the announcing, just wish he announced more games.
I don’t mind Cone I guess but he isn’t that great, although he did call Hughes in the pen a month before it was done. Paul O’Neill is horrible and has no business being in the booth!
How do you feel about Al Leiter?
I like when Al calls games because he brings that rare pitcher perspective that Cone brings but Al is the Mickey Mantle to Cone’s Roger Maris to me if you get that reference (which I am sure you do). Leiter , Michael Kay and Singleton is the best mix of announcers for the YES team in my opinion.
Well with Matsui’s last HR he now has 19 on the year and while Hideki may never swing for the same average that he once did but if you had told the fans and Girardi they would get a .270 hitter who will (is on pace to) jack 28 HRs and drive in 70+ runs you would more than take that. Has he done enough to allow himself to stay a Yankee? I seriously doubt it but what he may have done is allowed himself to get another contract as a starting player somewhere and I think that is something every Yankee fan wishes for Hideki. He has been a pretty big bat and very clutch one in our line up for a while now and I for one am glad to see him setting himself up to join another team and possibly win a ring with his current one.
I’m with you, I love the guy and hate that he has been hobbled with those knees. Maybe an occasional day off earlier in his career would have headed some of that off. I truly do hope he gets a ring. Wish Mussina could have gotten one. Both excellent Yankees.