OK, we finally have something that appears to be an official asking price of some sort. George King of the NY Post has the story.
ANAHEIM, Calif. — From the moment Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi said he would entertain offers for Roy Halladay, the Yankees believed the price would be too steep for them and that being in the same division would drive the Blue Jays to ask for more than they would from others.
According to several industry sources, the Yankees were correct: The Blue Jays will want more than the Yankees have to give.
“They are kicking the tires, but they don’t have enough,” said a source who believes the Blue Jays eventually will trade Halladay for prospects.
Even if the Yankees included outfielder Austin Jackson and catcher Austin Romine — prospects clubs were told were off-limits before Halladay entered the picture — there might not be enough because the major league-ready arms the Blue Jays would ask for are Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, last night’s starter against the Angels.
Of the five teams that are interested — Boston, Yankees, Milwaukee, St. Louis and Philadelphia — the defending World Series champion Phillies are considered the favorites because they have a bevy of young talent, led by pitchers Carlos Carrasco, J.A. Happ and Kyle Drabek. Catcher Lou Marson also is thought of very highly.
This is consistent with what we’ve heard elsewhere in bits and pieces, so I’ll assume it’s correct. A deal would need to consist of Hughes (or Joba) plus Austin Jackson and Austin Romine. Let’s break down this potential deal for a minute.
-Losing Austin Romine wouldn’t bother me all that much. We have a surplus at the catching position and Jesus Montero is both closer to the bigs and has a far higher ceiling. Gotta give something to get something, and our 2nd best prospect at a position of depth is something you can’t go nuts about.
-Austin Jackson is a fine prospect at a position of need for the Yanks next year, he has great athleticism and should hit for average and some power. But we have a CF we can live with in Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera, and none of these three players project to hit for enough power to be corner OFers. Its possible A-Jax will eventually be a 15-20 HR guy, but that’s years away, if ever. So we’re going to have to go outside the organization anyway to fill the need for a corner OF spot(s) for the next few seasons to replace the production we were getting from Matsui/Damon. As our roster stands currently, you’d wind up with three CFs fighting for playing time in 2010, so its fair to say that one of them is expendable.
-Now for the tough one. Hughes or Joba. Lets dispose of Hughes quickly, I love Phil but his ceiling according to most scouts is that of a #2 starter, not an ace. Joba has the potential to be a #1, but even if Joba Chamberlain was to reach his ceiling as a starter (50/50 at best) he still wouldn’t be Roy Halladay. Joba could be a #1, Halladay is a #1A. Roy Halladay is one of the top 2-3 pitchers in Baseball. We all fall in love with guys that throw the ball 100 MPH, but its important to note that the best pitchers in the game (Halladay, Santana, Lincecum) don’t throw that hard and never did. The top pitchers understand the subtleties involved in getting hitters out, which often involve the hitters getting themselves out. At 32, Roy is still at an age where he still has some gas left in the tank.
-Even if Joba reached his ceiling of being a Josh Beckett-type, Roy Halladay is a better pitcher than Beckett and has been for most of his career. He’s been both better and more consistent. If anyone disagrees, just look at both player’s ERA+ over the past decade.
Halladay’s average year since 2001 is as good or better than Beckett’s best year, which he only achieved once. Doc’s ERA+ has been north of +143 for 7 of the past 9 years, topping out at an insane +184 in 2005. The chances of Joba ever doing that once, much less for most of a decade, is slim even if he reached his ceiling. Again, Joba’s MLB comp has only had an ERA+ north of 140 once in his 9-year career. And the reason it’s called a ‘ceiling’ is because most never reach it.
-Another thing to throw in the mix is AJ Burnett had his best season of his career last year under the tutelage of Roy Halladay. The effect a guy like Halladay could have on the rest of the staff is something that can’t be underestimated. David Cone filled that role on the championship teams of the late 90′s. And for anyone hung up on Halladay’s age, it should be noted that David Cone was 32 years old when he was traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Yanks in 1995.
I try to do it for Hughes, but to be honest I’d do it either way. I expect the Yanks to claim this package is far too high a price, which is the right thing to say publicly whether they believe it or not. If they were to say ‘I can live with that!’ the price goes up the very next day. Remember how the Yanks said Hughes was off limits in the Santana deal, then Hank gave in, and the price became Hughes+ IPK the next day. Why? Because it was November, and Twins GM Bill Smith had no intention of dealing Santana until January. I would imagine that Blue Jays GM JP Riccardi will wait until July 31st to see if anyone gets desperate. Right now, of the teams that are rumored to be involved (Philly, Dodgers, Yanks, Red Sox) none of them are.
But a move like this puts the Yanks over the top. As much as I’m all on board with the youth movement, the Yanks are a now team that’s all about winning championships.
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